Human Rights of Tibet
In this post, I want to talk about the history, how Dalai became the enemy of Chinese government and the human rights of Tibet, when it was governed by Dalai Lama during 1935-1959.
In fact, Dalai Lama is a religious title of privilege in Tibetan Buddhism (many Tibetans in exile call Dalai as their Holiness). After the former Dalai Lama died, Buddhism monks have to select a little boy as the successor. The new Dalai Lama should be approved by the central Chinese government. Today, the well-known Dalai Lama actually is the 14th Dalai Lama, who was born in Qinghai Province, China, but not in Tibet. The appointment was approved by central government in 1935 when the China mainland was still governed by KuoMinTang.
In 1949, the Communist party defeated KuoMinTang in the civil war, and communist army entered Tibet in 1950. At first, Dalai supported China Communist Party(CCP), because Communist party promised that they tentatively did not have a plan to abolish Tibetan Slavery. At that time, Tibet was the last area that slavery is a part of regional law.
In 1959, Dalai thought that CCP was sure to abolish the slavery, sooner or later, therefore he waged a military coup. The result is that Dalai’s army was defeated by People’s Liberal Army(PLA), and Dalai with his supporters escaped to India.
Chinese Tibetan government decided to abolish the slavery, although Tibetan slave-owners strongly disagree. After what the Chinese government called ‘Democratic Reform’, the slavery was abolished, however, many slaveowners escaped to India and became the enemies of Chinese government. Those slaveowners and their families formed the group of Tibetan in exile, and most of them are living in India, Nepal and many western countries as refugees.
The following pictures are released from archives, which reflects the real life of ordinary Tibetan people under the government of Dalai.
The first picture shows that two Tibetans as slaves. Theire hands and feet are locked together by Tibetan slaveowners in case of escape.
Do you know what these are? These are Tibetan people’s skin! Dalai Lama used human skin to execute some Buddhism ceremony. The slaveoweners killed their slaves and peeled their skins. In this picture, obviously the left and the right are skins of children, and the middle belongs to an adult slave. The slaveoweners are willing to provide Dalai with human skins, because they believe they will be blessed by Dalai according to the Tibetan Buddhism.
The third picture shows a slave whose arms were cutted off. When Dalai governed Tibet, human bones were made into religious instruments. The most cruel thing is that the slaveowners cut arms and legs from Tibetan slaves who are alive.
This little girl starved to death. The slaveowners have sufficient foods and they intentionally let the female slave starve to death, because they want to use her heart, liver and other organs as sarcrifice. Besides, her head will be made into a container of drinks.
Do you know how old the female slave were when this picture was taken? Most of you maybe think she was beyond 60 years old. In fact, this female slave, Jinyang, was 35 years old when the picture was taken. No doubt, it is the slavery life that lead this young woman to such terrible state.
When I was editing this entry, I really feel sad for the tragedy of Tibetan people under the government of Dalai. I still have many horrible pictures, and I will release them later. Do you want to let the Tibetan be under the government of Dalai again?
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this is some cheap ass propaganda by the chinease first of all the only reason the why the guys had his hand choped up was because he was a burglar and second of all the guy in the chains is in chains because he committed a crime
what do u explain about the skinned human, 1 of them are adult and 2 of them were children. are u trying to say they commited crime and were used in their buddist ceremony for skinning. the man got his hand chopped not because he robbed someone, according to the germany document when the nazi visited tibet wrote a journalist. the man got his hand chopped off because his slave driver owe him something that i cant remember, so in return he took his cow and end up with his hand chopped off. there is a man with his eye gauge out because he didnt want the slave driver to steal his wife.
Even so, when Middle Eastern or African regimes cut thieves’ hands off, we in the West are repulsed and outraged. This is cruel and unusual punishment, and there is no reason to cut Tibet any slack.
Also, if the thief had had a better quality of life and better access to food and resources in the first place, then maybe he wouldn’t have been stealing things.
If you do not believe in these pictures, go to search online, there are some museum who actually carry the human-skin-made items (drums, pictures, etc) which were used by Dalai Lama in their ceremony.
Or maybe you can travel in Tibet, interview people there. You will see the true.
If you have some brain left , you would investigate by yourself rather hurried to believe on somebody’s lie. The author doesn’t have courage to write down his name because he knows he is lying and get caught anytime . This article is nothing but a blind item written to damage his holiness image . Probably would be CCP another propaganda to fool the people .
To xuanie,
I have sent these pictures to you.
I support only one China in the world. Tibel was and is belonging for China. I have read a lot of history books about China. And I know chinese government done a lot for Tibet.
I shame on my country and western median ,they did not give us the truth.
Thank you! I am so glad to see somebody who wont just accept what the media tells you.
You read wrong history. I am a Tibetan and I know the truth. Tibet was never part of China. Chinese Communist Government killed and killing Tibetan since 1949 still now. 1.2 million killed the Chinese Communist government in 1959 it attacked with guns and bombs in Lhasa and other parts of Tibet. You don’t know the truth because you read the wrong history. I feel sorry for you. next time if read history try to read the right one. It is not your fault. Om mani padme hu.
I dont mind whether Tibet is an independent country or belongs to China. What I care about is the people who are living there. Before it is governed by communist party, it was under Dalai lama, the system of the society is slavery system. over90% of people are slaves who do not have their land and work for their owners. After communist party took it over, it abolished slavery system. How could that be bad to the majority of the people there?
By the way, can you tell me does your family belong to the owners class or the slaves class? This really matters.
My gosh! Is this the truth of their miserable life during that period? If so, why took such a long time to publish this article?
You poor misled soul
To Debby,
Thank you for support!
Make a big poster with the photo of Dalai and Heinrich. Most westerners will be shocked to learn the connection of Dalai and Nazis.
All this is news to me, very confusing and disturbing. I’m from the US, and it’s hard now for me to determine who is telling the truth and who is telling the propaganda. Can you please suggest books or other sources not published by Chinese communists that would give a clearly unbiased view the history? If only we could hear what the Tibetan peasants themselves have to say. Is Chinese rule cultural genocide or is it government by the people? What do the people want? That should determine what happens next, not what any other government wants — not China, the US, Great Britain or any other country. If the Tibetans were truly being oppressed by the aristocracy and lamas, why did they fight the Communist invasion, being the only province that would not give food to the liberation army, according to another article on this website? It’s too dismissive to explain that away by saying the peasants were too brainwashed by the theocracy to know better. People have the right to self-determination, to choose their own government, whatever type they want it to be: theocracy, communist, or democratic. The only Tibetans I’ve ever met (admittedly very few) want the old government to come back. Still I know you may be right. More knowledge is needed. Americans do not hear this other side. Proof: that’s what is needed. Not just pictures of armless people or images you say are skins. Those could be anything. Can you get and publish some personal testimonies? Perhaps YouTube videos of peasants telling their experiences under the theocratic rule? That would go a long way toward convincing your Western readers of what you’re writing here, if the interviews seem sincere to us. Could you please expand on the comment above about the connection of the Dalai Lama and the Nazis? Is there any way to prove your stories about the bones and the skins? Some way to tell if you Chinese have been told the lies or if we Americans have? Thank you for this website.
Bronte Baxter
brontebaxter ,can you answer me a question first？if there was a old ethic do just like dalai ,it is very cruel，will you interrupt it？yes ？just do like the chinese.no?it their custom.you may have no right to do that.
If you are so uncertain about the truth, Bronte, I am surprised you speak of it elsewhere with such certainty.
EVERYTHING HERE IS A LIE
You are asking CCP to suggest the books of the truth ,who themselves are now lying all over the social media’s to fool people .
Hi Bronte, really nice questions. Later, I will give a set of explicit answers to your questions one by one. I will send an email to inform you, when I post that entry. Thanks.
Most of the facts here are completely wrong. It’s so easy to take pictures and give them the sense you want them to have, even if nothing is really shown in them. Why don’t you ask the truth to the tibetans arrested and tortured in this so wonderful country, China ? Maybe you should also ask to Hu Jia ? Everything in this article is pure propaganda, but we’re used to it from Beijing.
I’m not so sure, TZ. One thing I’ve learned over the years is the importance of questioning my own assumptions. This site has information that, if right, makes what we were told wrong, but how can you dismiss this material so lightly?
I personally know a German woman with a Ph.D. whose area of research is the Third Reich. She told me that she found evidence in some documents that an emissary of Hitler spent several days carrying a radio on his behalf to the Dalai Lama through the snowy mountain passes during World War II. She also wrote this:
“In the latter half of the previous century, intriguing hints about Tibetan secret teachings had been carried to the west by Helena Blavatsky, who claimed initiation at the hands of the Holy Lamas themselves.
Blavatsky taught that her Hidden Masters and Secret Chiefs had their earthly residence in the Himalayan region.
As soon as the Nazi movement had sufficient funds, it began to organize a number of expeditions to Tibet and these succeeded one another practically without interruption until 1943. One of the most tangible expressions of Nazi interest in Tibet was the party`s adoption of its deepest and most mystical of symbols – the swastika.”
I found it hard to believe when she said it that the Dalai Lama had been involved in any way with Hitler, but now here on this website it’s showing up again. Coincidence? I hope these people will tell us more.
Bronte Baxter
http://www.brontebaxter.wordpress.com
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To TZ:
Here I focus on the past, I mean the period of Dalai Lama. I don’t say that there is no human rights violation in China, including Tibet. I do not naively believe all the words from CCP. The situation is certainly not as they said. I give my comments from the material I can access.
As for the slaves, I find some materials on this book:
The Making of Modern Tibet
by A. Tom Grunfeld
Please check Amazon:
“The vast majority of the people of Tibet were serfs, or as they were known there, mi ser (literally “yellow person”).” “Serfs were ‘tied’ to their masters. They received the right to work the land in exchange for taxes and ulag, corvee labor. So powerless were they that they required permission to enter a monastery and even to marry. If two serfs of different lords married, male offspring reverted to the father’s lord, while female offspring went to the mother’s.” “Monasteries also had the right to take children to be initiated as monks if the voluntary supply was insufficient.” (pp. 12-15)
“Sir Charles Bell, a British colonial official in India and a renowned Tibet scholar, acknowledged the existence of slaves:
Slaves are sometimes stolen, when small children, from their parents. Or the father or mother being too poor to support their child would sell it to a man, who paid them “sho-ring,” “price of mother’s milk,” brought up the child and kept it or sold it as a slave….Two slaves whom I saw … had been stolen from their parents when five years old, and sold in Lhasa for about seven pounds each.” (p. 15)
“In spite of the claim made not long ago that “before the Chinese crackdown in March 1959, the normal Tibetan diet included an inexhaustible flow of butter, tea, large amounts of meat and various vegetables”, a survey made in 1940 in eastern Tibet came to a somewhat different conclusion. It found that 38 percent of the households never got any tea but ether collected herbs that grew wild or drank “white tea”–boiled water. It found that 51 percent could not afford to use butter, and that 75 percent of the households were forced at times to resort to eating grass cooked with cow bones and mixed with oat or pea flour.” (p. 16)
On Crime and Punishment in the early 1900’s:
“There is no evidence to support these images of a utopian Shangri-la. A frequent visitor to western Tibet reported that brigands ran freely, another called robbers “a regular plague,” while a former resident reported “thieves as thick in Lhasa as fleas on a dog,” and yet another confirmed that account by relating that he never ventured out at night in Lhasa unless accompanied by a servant and unless carrying a sword and/or revolver because he “lived in constant fear of burglars…” Economics was not always at the root of the crime. Some believed that to kill a rich or lucky man was to acquire his good fortune. All Westerners were considered to be very rich and lucky.” (p. 23)
“In Lhasa the jail was a deep underground pit from which the prisoners were only allowed out once or twice a year to beg for alms.” “Another form of punishment favored in Tibet was torture and mutilation. Buddhist belief precludes the taking of life, so that whipping a person to the edge of death and then releasing him to die elsewhere allowed Tibetan officials to justify the death as ‘an act of God’. Other brutal forms of punishment included the cutting off of hands at the wrists; using red-hot irons to gauge out eyes; hanging by the thumbs; and crippling the offender, sewing him into a bag, and throwing the bag in the river.” (p. 24)
“A British woman who visited Gyantse in 1922 witnessed a public flogging and reported that the victim was then forced to spend the night exposed and tied down on the top of a mountain pass where he froze to death over night. A British resident of two decades reported seeing countless eye gougings and mutilations, while another resident in the late 1940’s reported that “all over Tibet I have seen men who have been deprived of an arm or a leg for theft.” The most graphic evidence readily available of a public torture can be seen in Life magazine, which carried photographs of a whipping (200-250 lashes) that occurred right in the middle of Lhasa in 1950.” (p. 24)
FactandTruth, thank you for the new article and photos on your website, and for the above quotations. Do you live in Tibet, China or where? Are you a native Tibetan? I’d like to know if your position on this subject is based on experience, on your reading, on people you know who live in Tibet, or what. And what exactly is your personal experience of all this? If you live in Tibet, what is life like there? What stories have you heard from your grandparents and parents about the old days before the revolution?
Bronte Baxter
http://www.brontebaxter.wordpress.com
Actually, my grandmother was alive and present at the time of the Tibetian occupation by the Chinese. She visited and saw firsthand the treatment of the Tibetians as well as displays of freshly skinned children. She also firsthand witnessed eye gougings and other forms of torture.
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Bronte Baxter
Dalai Lama not only had connections with the Nazis, but also met five times with the Japanese cultist and terrorist Aum Shinrikyo, and took side with him even after the Tokyo Subway Sarin Incident in 1995. Ask the Japanese about the truth.
The westerners’ regarding Dalai as the holy spiritual leader and a true pacifist could not be more wrong yet understandable given how he has been painted over decades by the western governments for the geo-political reason. He is not even a true buddhist if you are willing to research the buddhist philosophy and commandments and how Dalai has staged his life.
In regards to your questioning: “If the Tibetans were truly being oppressed by the aristocracy and lamas, why did they fight the Communist invasion, being the only province that would not give food to the liberation army?” Well, that’s just another lie told by the exiled Tibetans (think about who they are) and the Dalai camp. If you know a little about the Communists’ creed of class struggle, and especially about why and how the Chinese communists could have achieved so prevailing victory in only some 20 years (they literally grew up from a party of only a few dozens of members), you’d believe they must have won the hearts of the mass during that particular period of history. And in Tibet’s case, it was no exception. The millions of serfs and slaves clearly were on the PLA’s side.
““In the latter half of the previous century, intriguing hints about Tibetan secret teachings had been carried to the west by Helena Blavatsky, who claimed initiation at the hands of the Holy Lamas themselves.
Blavatsky taught that her Hidden Masters and Secret Chiefs had their earthly residence in the Himalayan region.”
No legitimate scholar of Tibetan Buddhism would accept the above. Blavatsky’s “secret masters” have long been known to have had no connection to actual Tibetan teachers, but were merely “trance channeled” fiction. It is really dangerous when people like Bronte Baxter post such lies as it is very clear she just repeats what she hears with little comprehension of what she is speaking.
It is amazing to me that websites like this promote such long known and long heard Chinese propaganda as if it were fact. I guess this is one of the dangers of using the internet for research by inexperienced inquirers.
To assert everything said by others is only propaganda is not an effective way to rebut, because one can easily argue the same for yourself. In fact, I don’t find any of your statements above informative, let alone convincing.
Sorry, Dalai’s euphonies to the western ears is no longer the single model for people to find truth, it used to work when China was not as open to the world as today. The great thing about Internet is that people can explore facts from different sources and make informed judgment. Embrace it.
Want to know more about Tibet? This PBS discussion forum is a good start:
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=90
Want to know the Holly place under Dalai’s ruling? Please see the youtube film (from the National Geographic):
Also this film:
more communist propeganda…pure and simple..open your countries gates and watch the millions pour out of it….i dont know if you are one the political people or just a mind numbed masses but you are being hoodwinked and bamboozled (which you obviously are) and i dont know who this german (whos father was probably a nazi and who was a hitler youth) with and axe to grind against the west just like you….im sure that there was concern for the waterways in tibet and perhaps the tons of gold in the foundation of the potala palace or both which made you so harshly go to a country (yes i said country…free tibet)where you were not wanted…i have no affection for the koumantang govt and even at that they were not nearly as oppresive as your govt is and was starting with mole face mao the killer of innocents
Truth is hard to accept especially when it goes against what you have been inclined to believe. I did not know and could not believe that Tibet was that way under the rule of the Dalai Lama, and I had a hard time in coming to terms with it. I had great respect for the Dalai Lama before knowing this and even believed in his divinity. Even though I still respect him, I feel my unquestioning respect for him before was blinded by my passion for learning about Buddhism. The truth is that the Tibet he governed was a horrible place, and it was hell on earth for a certain class of people that was subjugated and exploited as slaves to serve their overlord master class in a medieval feudal system of government. I am glad that Tibet is not like that any more, and I have come to reconcile with and accept the fact that the Dalai Lama, as wise as I still believe him to be, is still after all a human person just like you and me. I do not blame him for how Tibet was; there was nothing he could have done, he was just a boy and born into that way of life. I have to admit I can not say what is best for the Tibetan people today, but I do believe that it is best that they keep religion out of their government. If you believe the axiom that absolute power corrupts absolutely, than you may understand my position that theocracy may be worse than communism. You can denounce Mao now that he is dead, but how can you say no to God?! You can never and that is humbly my point.
Hi there, I would like the pictures as well. I am making a video on youtube—pro China—and want to use these photos in it. Do you think you can send them to me?
Thanks!
Brendan
This post is the stuff of the widely discredited Tibet museum in Beijing and it is anonymous.
By linking to our effort, this blog gives a link to our effort to create a voice from The Photos and Films by Tibetans in exile. However, the sad thing about this blog is that is is mainly the material, photos included from the Beijing Tibet museum which has been discredited around the world as being little more than a propaganda tool of the Chinese government.
Simply google Tibet Museum and Partyline….
We would add, if anyone wants to discuss brutal histories, then there should be a discussion of the brutality of China’s Great leap forward and up to 40 million killed and of course Tiananmen Square.
This collection of photos is from the Beijing Tibet Museum. besides my other comments on this above, There is no material on who took the photos, where the photos were taken or under what circumstance etc, etc… They are simply photos from a past era from some where of some people and without documentation specific to the photos.
Excuse the multiple posts, no edit button available or we would have made these points in a single post.
to the author: you did a great job! we will support you for any thing!. because we are CHINESE. and we will fight with anyone who against US! CHINA!!!!!!
“Pro-China”, “dont let the dalai return”!!!! Are you crazy?!?
There does appear to be some evidence of a poor Tibetan humitarian history, but I remind you that the Dalai himself was barely out of his teens upon his exile. To condemn and blame this man for any previous atrocities is ludicrous. The teachings, wisdom and pacifism he’s spread since then are surely more indicitive of his character.
As for pro-china?!?!, they still routinely exercise brutality, torture and inhumanity; even in the preparation for the olympic games!!
Finally to say that as CHINESE you will fight anyone who is against you, that epitomises the problem of many of our big nations: Fight First!! Where is the room for negotiation? common ground? Unity? I quote the Dalai when I say “we are all united in wanting happiness and wanting to avoid suffering”.
I’m British and I believe we have many faults and fallen party to many things I’m ashamed of, but I stand up to that, it does not represent me, I am an individual, a member of humanity, I do not and would not fight anyone against my nation for the sake of it. But I would fight for equality, humanity and the love of my fellow humans.
I forgot to mention the atrocities and wars of Western Europe and Christiandom and more recently Nazi Germany only 5 years before the Dalais exile. We move on, we dont hold the west accountable for their crimes in colonising America, or Germany and their allies in WW2. Saying Tibet is rightfully Chinas land or that Palastine is rightfully
Israels is like Britain demanding Normandy back or invading the USA and revoking their independance!!!!!
We live in a supposedly modern, civilised world where its the people that are meant to matter, not wealth, ownership and conquering land!
Get with the times people and strive for concensus and peace, dont let yourself be alienated, stand up for what YOU truly believe to be right and just in your hearts. Standing by your own Nation, community or tribe, no matter what!, is racist and narrow minded in itself. Have your own mind, your own thoughts and be an individual!!!
….getting carried away here, but I defend the principles of the Dalai Lama’s teachings and beliefs.
To say Tibet collaborated with the Nazis is crazy, when the Dalai strives to embrace peace and unity with all nations and everyone he meets to such an extent he will even embrace the seemingly unjust.
What did he say the Nazi’s, “go forth and conquer!”? “gas the jews, homosexuals and weak!”? NO, he said, may you have divine peace and good deeds!!!! Point made.
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What an extraordinary site. Yes, how dare the Tibetan people want to rule themselves, and shame on them for revering the Dalai Lama, who shock horror met with Germans. And anybody who supports the Tibetan people to be free is being racist and imperialist. Somehow it seems that the imperialism is now coming from China.
If China is so wonderful for Tibet, why the military repression? Why are no journalists allowed in Tibet? Why are demonstrations against the government not allowed?
The only way Tibet will have a brighter future is when its people are allowed to freely choose who will govern them.
To read a long but interesting and balanced interview with modern Tibetan historian Tsering Shakya, go to this link: http://newleftreview.org/?page=article&view=2720
hey! Me and a friend are researching into the human rights of tibet.
We were just looking through this site and were disturbed by the pictures shown.
All of this site is just nonsense. First, the 14th Dalai Lama’s reign in Tibet was when he was at the age of 2-17 yrs old. You are attacking a child in this blog? If you are attacking all the Dalai Lama’s then you should know that Chinese leaders centuries ago used to ask Dalai Lama for spiritual guidance.
During the Cultural Revolutions, Chairman Mao’s policy killed millions of Han Chinese citizens and he was indifferent saying that such a tragedy would be necessary. There was time where Chinese were eating each other. Now, ask yourself, would I like to live in that time period under such savage rulers?
China during the cultural revolution had a murderous dictator in power, shouldnt America or Britia have liberate you guys as you claim you did to Tibet?
The main point is, China does not have the facts to prove Tibet belonged to China. If you do, please respond in detail and feel free to write only your thoughts. Dont copy and paste others work. Bring to me your true knowledge…just facts, leave the nonsense at home.
I am very sad the fact you know nothing about Dalai Lama. I was just hoping that there would be some open-minded Chinese people. Your Chair man Mio has a famous saying “no judgment without investigation”. But you make suppositions and thinking others might buy it. “You can fool somebody one time but not all the time” as Bob Marley sings. And consider your own note to yourself “leave your nonsense at home.” The whole world already knows about what is going on in Tibet except some stupid Chinese people who confused with Communist propaganda.
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Please continue your good work. I am so happy to see that there is a place on the web where we can learn the truth about the propaganda of “the lie lama”. I am a western Buddhist from Canada, and I have met MANY tibetans who have explain the truth to me about what realy happen and what is currently appening in Tibet, and it has nothing to do with the lies of the hollywood monk. Thank you very much !
Ignorance is even more stupid then blindness… One day the real truth will appear for everyone. Meanwhile go on to believe your own lies!
Why doesn’t the article cite any sources for such bold claims?
Granted, not all that the popular media claims about China and Tibet can be true, nor is everything those nations say can be true. I have my doubts about the specifics of the Chinese invasion of Tibet, but I also have my doubts about… well, a lot of the Chinese propaganda about Tibet. The fact is, we simply can’t be sure about what we read or watch on TV, because it comes to us out of context and out of place; bias, among other things, filters out important facts with each retelling of a story. However, with this in mind, I find many of the claims here to be unsupported. As Sejanus said, there aren’t any citations on this website, which is certainly an important source of credibility. Also, from some personal experience, I know a little about Tibetan culture. My knowledge is limited, of course, but it is still enough to make me question several of your claims. I know, for example, that human sacrifice is not a part of the Buddhist religion in any way. Certain ceremonies honoring the deceased may exist, in some groups, but no human sacrifice is commited for either the Dalai Lama or Buddha. In addition, none of those pictures, from an unnamed “archive”, I must add, have any indication that the people in them are either Buddhists or slaves or wearing human skin. While you can make your claims about them, there is still no substantive proof backing it up. Buddhism has always been a peaceable religion. To claim that its members skin and kill slaves seems rather improbable. I don’t know much about Tibet or China. I have no problem admitting that. But if there is a truth that needs to come out, such as the truth you claim to know, then we must set it free. I think what you’re doing is well-intentioned, but misguided. And while I disagree with what you claim to be the truth, I think that you should try and prove yourself right. If such injustice existed before China’s invasion, then the world must know; no one will believe you, however, unless you have some credible evidence. I implore you, then, to seek out some factual, hard evidence to present. And if your claim turns out to be true, the world has become the wiser. If it doesn’t, then you, sir, are an idiot.
These allegations of human bones, skins and skulls used for religious practices coming from living serfs and slaves are unfounded. They may have come from dead saints.
Nevertheless a gruesome practice that was pretty common in Tibet.
Obviously, the current Dalai Lama can’t be held accountable for the appalling state of affairs in Tibet before or after the Chinese invasion.
Label the folder appropriately and file it in a filing cabinet. ,
Tibetan Buddhism is a cult. Tibetan Buddhism is fake Buddhism. And unfortunately, too many people interested in Tibetan or Mahayana Buddhism. The Buddha never ever taught that f*ckin’ things. All evil things that appeard from Tibetan Buddhism is came from Tibetan culture and mixed with Mahayana Buddhism.
Be free thinker to find out the real Buddhism in this world!
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these are facts? only fact is that tibetan people under the reign of the dalai lama were deeply religious and peaceful people.
you shitting all over that proves you a brainless hick. i feel sorry for you.
May you choke on your own lies.
If you believe what you are saying is true then why don’t you cite those photos? Why don’t you produce written records of these cult-like rituals taking place in Tibet? And while your at it please tell us how the brutal reign of China over Tibet that has cost over 1.2 million lives is better then what they had before.
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So you’re saying that its better that they are better off under the Communist Chinese control that even destroyed homes to setup the Olympics and compensated homeowners with only 20% of what their homes was actually worth? Or have Monks sprayed with bullets by the Chinese government? Your article is nothing but pure propaganda, in other words, complete garbage.
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I am a bit dissapointed after reading all the comments here. There are two camps here (few exceptions maybe). One group is saying that everything that’s written in this article is ‘bullshit’, and another group that’s completely the opposite. I’m pretty convinced that the old situation in Tibet was terrible, like medieval times in Europe. But that is no reason at all to be completely uncritical about the Chinese. China wasn’t a paradise either during maoïst dictatorship; so, the comparisons made here by people on both sides are not fair.
Although I believe that the old Tibetan situation was like medieval feudalism, the pictures in this article are no ‘proof’ that baby’s were killed and then skinned, of even that they were skinned alive. They also could’ve been skinned after natural death. Customs and rituals like that can be distasteful in our eyes, but they’re not evil per se. In countries where few tree’s grow people have to be creative. Pictures of human skin, bones of skull’s don’t proof that they were murdered, they only imply that the remains of dead people are used or preserved (and I’m not saying that they are not murdered, I’m only saying that the pictures are no proof, and that they should not be postulated as being so).
It is not realistic to think that one side in a conflict is ‘good’ and the other side is completely ‘evil’. It can be alluring to think that way, I admit that, but very often it’s wrong.
we should have let japan destroy china in WWII….then defeat japan instead of helping train the chinese airforce only to turn around and slaughter people in tibet….mao was thye king of prpaganda just ask the 6 million who died in “the great leap forward”….i suppose politicians will lie cheat steal and even murder people to get what they want….i would have killed that particular godless chink mao myself and not felt guilty at all…i would have just told myself the world will be a better place….also…ask any chinese person who wants to live in the western world (if they are not scared to death to be honest which im sure they are)….also arent they big pals with the N Korean govt and their staged mourning for that murdering scumbag
killing human to eat in china; http://koogak.blogspot.fr/p/blog-page_16.html
they are not chineses, the characters on the T-shirt are not chinese, why did you say they are chinese ? It’s absurdity !
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its just very sad that people believe such lies here. if you have doubts & want to clear, talk to the tibetan govt itself,make an appointment with the dalai lama himself,show what you are showing here.. you will get your answers thoroughly with kindness & won’t peel your skin or shoot you. clear your doubts.
Tibetans have a wrathful nature like all in the history of man kind & can fight with no fear, due to buddhism & the dalai lama -it has brought its people to calm itself.
if you have so much hatred, you are blinded from truth & if you have so much envy,you are blinded from truth too… just find your balance & don’t try to reason yourself too fast -with pictures, books & people writing on blogs..they have there own propose for doing it….. for me I came across this beautiful chinese kid -smiling & playing and speaking in chinese to his mother,i felt the joy & pureness in this kid -the innocence & i was asking myself,just because he is chinese is the reason why i should hate the kid..what would he know? just because I am a tibetan I will get joy in seeing a chinese flag burn by a westerner-NO!!! for godsake -every nation needs respect & freedom-the fact that westerners fighting for someone elses cause is flattering but it is once own duty to fight for its right & noone else / when an asian face shines in sports internationally-i feel so proud -be it china or japan/..tibet & china for a zillion years will still be a neighbour & only friendship & trust will make us strong / as much as china needs tibet -we need china as a big brother to protect us & understand us,accept us -our religion, our language, culture & land…… not with propaganda from both sides will solve our situation or by digging the past – the past books that each side will come out with will have no end…the scholars of all kinds won’t help cause they will repeat what is in the past with what they read in the book-they have no books that was written in the future to HELP … I truely wish that china can accept the conditions what the dalai lama is asking for – if china accepts & deals with it in peace- not only china is the number one in the world -it will earn its respect & trust through out the world…./// some tibetans have so much hate to china but believe me the dalai lama never taught us this with all his teachings so far that I have attended,i can assure you this.. even when young I have met some lamas who make judgements over right & wrong with no good reason & play this divine thin’ which bothered me & have never followed — so such thin’s exist …I have always found my doubts cleared when i listen to the dalai lama & with a sense of humour.. as a tibetan the only thin’ i look upto in life & in me is by having him -not anything else even not my family or friends ..not because that if i believe in him & pray to him will give me some super power or anythin’…i don’t even pray actually -imean regulary// i’m jst after my life like anyone else……. so you can believe what you want but all this hatred won’t help anybody but make you more sick— good day.
我认为你啥也不懂就喜欢一派胡言，如果你是一名汉人，我很可怜你，因为世界人都懂的你却不懂。i want say that you knew nothing about Tibet just throwing some words and pictures then saying something .if you want really want to learn about Tibet and what real happen in Tibet then visit WWW. central tibetan administration.com. if you have the ability to know what other human could know.if not bark like street dog
These pictures are Communist falsification. Where they have been taken? That are these people? etc. From where children’s skins? Why we must believe Beijing propaganda which was captured in lie many times…
el otro dia vi a gordom ramsey hacer algo asi y me quede con la duda de que era!ahora estoy casi segura de que era algo asi!tiene una pinta esilbtacuear!cesptooss
Agree. Here in Russia were know very well these methods of communist falsifications. Moreover: many Soviet books contain a good evidence about gross falsifications of history under Mao’s reign.
Today most of people educated and people are following the truth, not false information, can false information improve histories ???????????????
I’ve never been to Tibet and therefore can’t defend them with too many facts. Therefore, I’ll stick with reason. Tibet has very harsh climate and therefore it makes for very hard living. Having slaves make it easier (not for the slaves though). Thus making the slaves valuable; killing or dismembering a slave is not only pointless but also disadvantages to the slave owners. And having a belief in reincarnation and karma coming back to you. A common practice of tortue, dismemberment, and killing for no reason (other than ‘religion’, which no Buddhist practices supports, therefore bogus) is contradictory and a blatant lie. As a side note, Devote Buddhists are vegetarian and against killing of any kind. As a final note. Even though I don’t know a lot about tibet, I do know a lot about the Chinese communists (being a Chinese my self), they have no morals when it comes to telling blatant lies and twisting the truth. And considering that they have 100% FULL control of all China’s media, banks, transportation, communication, and land use, they are VERY GOOD at convincing the people (especially Chinese in China)on their version of the ‘truth’. Notice how the government is ALWAYS put in the positive light no matter the disaster; man made or natural.
What a bullshit!!Go to Tibet yourself! There are Temples built by human skull everywhere, just like the pictures said ,the Tibet Buddhism is a combination of India Buddhism and the evil Bon buddhism. Bon needs bloody sacrifice and the barbarian rape to get to their spirituality.（Bon despises women，considering sexual intercourse can switch women’s power to men）
I myself was a young teenage who naively thought Dalai just a religion leader who stood different political position. Until news comes out every year that the some local people there still use human skin and bones implements to achieve their spirituality. People even trade with western world.( like Aziz Turk and Inca slavery sacrifice)
You never mention what’s the true Bon Buddhism like, don’t you.You guys just image a paradise without pain and dissension in a ‘”arctic-alpine area” .You tell me, DID U REALLY GO TO THE LOCAL MUSEUM OF TIBET?DID YOU SEE THE HUMAN SULLS ENGRAVED WITH Bon buddhism SHAMAN spells?see the human skin TANG-GA?People been flayed and been poured in mercury ALIVE.This your religion your damn belief.
My mum travelled there 22 years ago saying there is too desolate to even have a place to pee. The lack of oxygen and exposure under U-ray makes a primitive and seemed-mysterious land. Let alone the medical treatment for the lowest rung of Tibet society ,the SERF. If NOT CHINESE GOVERNMENT , Dalai would still take control over this place and perform HUMAN SACRIFICE to “defend the thearchy domination” which is awfully wrong and ignorant. Dalai has western politicians and India as support (who hate China all the time), a”saint” who is high on social interaction and holding 10+ birthday parties in a year with all kinds of entertainment celebrities???Where is the fucking holy soul of him??He declared himself as a god in Tibet, however having been indulging in wine and celebrities?Why didn’t he compensate those slaves whose eyes were cut out ,whose arms were cut off ? Keeping publishing his
religious books CAN’T NOT HELP AT ALL.
We all know that the religion can not save people,the India CASTE SYSTEM , the massacre caused by ISI, in the developing country , the religion would be nothing more than sharp knife to control civilians .
Mengchou ,U R not qualified to judge Chinese government !U just poor head-washed dog tried to blandish your master! China is far too good now .You don’t deserve to live in the same land with us(BTW,I studied in Japanese and I know how western people misunderstood the eastern world,seeing too much movie ,awful.)
dude, the skulls and the thigh bones used for Vajrayana rituals are evidently collected from men who are ALREADY dead, and not obtained by killing them. It is not very difficult to get one in Tibet, given that they practice sky burials. Your tirade was literally unsubstantiated.
“Mengchou ,U R not qualified to judge Chinese government !” and you aren’t allowed sis, 😉
for being a one human being i strongly believe in truth and karma i know how the Dalai government is f of love compassion to its citizen these are the picture which suppress under communist china. long live Dalai lama one you say something remind ur bell of death the lord of heaven is owner of truth not lier…and rumour guys remember ….
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nah the writer of the article is probably a friend or supporter if the NKT.
exhibit A. same propaganda bc Kelsang Gyatso stopped the tulku system in his sect.
exhibit B. see Dorje Shungden article on side links.
the chinese and the NKT are the biggest reason the west has this same thought, and they both want buddhism to change their way..
nice try author!
your commment is fucking stupid. dont blame his holiness for anything or your fucking tortured with brutality leading to death. Dare you speak against him FUCKER or ill cut you alive
I find this information horrific and heartbreaking. I am not in the position to pass judgment, but I will just go by the horrors I see now in China, what the government does now to women is deplorable, forced abortion, then leaving the dead baboes on the bed until they can pay their “disposal fee”. Forcing mothers to kill a 8 month old naby inutero is a crime and China is the biggest violaters of human rights. Really no amount of propaganda can be more horrifying than the truth about the Chinese government.
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Liars making the World fool but the World is not foolish. This is false nothing but the lie. There were no police, army in Tibet. It was very peaceful country. You communist Chinese government killed 1.2 million Tibetans and still killing and destroying the whole environment.
In order to crack down China, the western supported extreme Islam and Tibetan slavery. This is why there are attacking in Paris. The western world deserves it, and more.
911 is done by us funded freedom fighters, Isis is funded by Obama. Freedom fighters will hurt more of this world , USA and Europe to be blamed.
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Thank you so much for sharing. The article tells us truth hidden behind the lie.
July 23, 2012 O carte exetcenla. Am vrut sa-i fac si eu un review imediat dupa ce am citit-o, asta iarna, insa am tot amanat si acum mi-am propus s-o citesc din nou, pentru a-i putea face un review ceva mai amanuntit. Merita citita cartea
The responsible thing would have been to appeal the court's decision, and attempt to protect the privacy of your users.While I personally do not condone violation of Intellectual Property rights… I find this sort of witch hunt to be infinitely more sinister.
This info is available in many English book way before 1950. Tibet lama is demon in disguise. They should be hang
Having read this I believed it was rather informative. I appreciate you taking the time and energy to put this article together. I once again find myself spending a significant amount of time both reading and leaving comments. But so what, it was still worthwhile!
PROPAGANDA
All photos could just as easily, and more likely, be explained as being atrocities committed by Chinese army.
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My gosh! Is this the truth of their miserable life during that period? If so, why took such a long time to publish this article?
People like you if has left little brain would definitely think first , why the author hasn’t written his/her name down below the article ? It’s because this is nothing but a blind item to defame and break ones image . The internet is filled with the CCP scammers , trust your instinct not just easily driven by these fake lies. Investigate yourself !
So the author doesn’t have a courage to write down his/name under the article. Definitely he is lying and afraid to get caught. It’s another CCP propaganda to damage his holiness image , an another blind item written to defame the Tibetans and it’s spiritual leader who is loved by many all over the world. The social media is powerful to change people views , so they take advantage to mislead the people with their lies . Bribe people to participate in such propaganda’s. I have seen many with my own eyes , and I swear of God there is nothing truth in this article .
I can’t call this writer a brainwashed because if you wanted truth you had ways to learn it but you rather seem to make it your mission to spread hatred and false information about Tibet and His Holiness which is only a devil’s work. You work tirelessly to spread China’s propaganda in return for some money is truly pathetic. You already know you are only telling lies that’s why you are not interested in people saying the truth in the comment section. I don’t wish anything bad to happen to you but wish that your life becomes more meaningful and that you stop hating yourself and live with dignity. Get well soon. Tashi Deleck
Hahaha they have been using skin and bone instruments and etc in Tibet for centuries and still do in India (including some Hindu sects) no one is killed.. The bones are gotten with permission from burial grounds or elsewhere and are used to remind the monk or Hindu Sadhu that we all die and life is impermanent.. Absolutely no one was skinned alive.. Absolutely no one had organs taken for sacrifice.. You guys have been taught pure propaganda but the Chinese government and they’re fake museums.. I’ve seen bone instruments and know exactly where they are from.. The people that forcefully take organs are the Chinese government who take organs from prisoners and from political prisoners and executed prisoners NOW THAT’S REAL
Unfortunately, the Western narratives place the blame on the Chinese who are the ones that set them free from slavery & serfdom. All the truth about the real world are constantly being covered up by Western politicians and their MSM.